Monday, 7 May 2012

Wk 10 Discussion Post


Why, in your view, did the South lose the Civil War?

15 comments:

  1. The South's eventual loss in the American Civil War remains a hotly contested subject, considering some of the war's debates (such as State's Rights) have far from been resolved. As to the specific reasons for its loss; material capability (population, industrial production output, etc.) remains a prevalent argument. Furthermore, much of the South's population being slaves themselves contributed to an open resistence on their part; in the North, opponents of the war were far less militant. Lastly, although it is perhaps immature to believe that Northern victory was assured due to a sturdier moral grounds for war, these grounds, as well as Lincoln's political position, certainly dissuaded foreign recognition and support for the Confederates, thus potentialy altering the outcome of the Civil War.

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  2. I feel that the South lost the American Civil War because of a culmination of economic, military, political and social failings on the part of the Southern states that became readily apparant from 1863 onwards. Economically, trade restictions and falling production outputs hampered the stability of the Southern war effort, bringing poverty and consequent food riots that generated both psychological and physical disunity and difficutly for soldiers on the front line. Militarily, the loss of key battles at Gettysburg and Vicksburg set the tone for the rest of the war, with the Southern war effort never really matching that of the North as the war petered out to its conclusion. Politically, the failure of the South to gain foreign recognition and the lack of unity between states in terms of what they were fighting for was reflected on both the frontline and home front, with growing amibvalence towards a losing war effort bringing defeat on much more quickly. Finally, social division over the issue of slavery within the South and the presence of a vast population of dissenting slaves meant trouble on the homefront, giving the Southern soldiers and politicans the mindest that they were defending a fractured society.

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  3. In my view the South lost the civil war due to the impact of a number of factors. The organisation of the north economically, administratively and militarily and the availability of war resources played the most considerable role in the defeat of the Confederacy. It can be argued that both factions had good and bad civil and military leaders, however the south did seem to lack a strategic war aim beyond their own long term survival whereas the North had clearly defined war aims and strategies.
    The North were able to direct considerable economic effort towards the war from the onset. Throughout the war the north arguably enjoyed greater transport, communications and supply. The North inherited a stable government and administration as compared to the fledgling Confederacy. A clearly defined and managed chain of command allowed greater strategic operations on a grand scale the evidence of which is the Norths ability to co-ordinates fighting and targets on multiple fronts. Militarily the North enjoyed a material and manpower superiority which in a war of attrition and eventual “Total War” gave the North considerable advantage.
    In my opinion, late in the war it is these factors that contrast mostly between North and South.

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  4. please note that i.m.o. these northern "superiorities" were partly caused by southern failings.

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  5. I believe that the reason for the South's loss in the war cannot be contributed to one or even a few factors. Internal division in the South is often referred to, and the difference between Lincoln's government and Davis' makeshift government has also been labelled as a reason. Doubts are sometimes raised over the commitment of the Southerners as perhaps they were fighting for a cause that they were only half-hearted about. Additionally there is often reference to the superiority of the Northern resources in terms of industrialisation. Despite this, I believe that there are several turning points during the war that resulted in North victories such as Gettysburg and Antietam, which, if instead they had been Southern victories, the outcome of the war could have been different. In my opinion, the introduction of the new style of war "Total War" that they Civil War turned into favoured the North considerably and that was the reason for the loss of the South.

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  6. As stated above by others, there were many factors that contributed to the South’s loss in the Civil War. I I believe that, in regards to today’s lecture, that the total war effort was what helped pull the North over the line. With the North using resources and finances available, as we well men effectively whereas the South, in comparison, either lacked or failed to work effectively mean that they could not counterattack the North. Additionally, the North also sought to ‘reek’ war havoc through invasion, terror and devastation where the South’s vulnerability consequently was revealed, and this style of warfare I believe contributed to the South’s loss. Psychological warfare furthermore contributed to failure of the South to succeed because their morale was low due to the consecutive loss in major battles, such as at Gettysburg and Antietam, which became turning point battles for the North. It could be further emphasised that the government in the North was centralised in comparison to the South, hence the North had better control in regards to war effort. In my opinion, due to aspects of psychology, resources, finances as well as government, these contributed to success of the North and therefore consequently, the loss faced by the Southerners.

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  8. I don't think the North's success can be attributed to one factor but rather, a variety of factors which contributed to different degrees. Having said this, in my view the decisive factor as to why the South lost was because Lincoln was re-elected in ’64. This, of course, was due to many contingencies such as the North's superior resources which allowed Sherman’s ‘total war’ tactics which resulted in the capture and destruction of Atlanta and subsequent invasion of South Carolina. It is important to note that Lincoln’s victory at the polls was not at all a certainty at the time despite his strong and authoritative leadership. Grant’s prolonged campaign against Lee demoralised Northerners who were expecting a sweeping victory and swift end to the war. This was compounded by some factions in the North expressing strong sentiment against Lincoln’s decision to issue emancipation as a necessary war aim after issuing the Emancipation Proclamation in ‘63. This attitude can be clearly seen in the propaganda of the Democrats who portrayed Lincoln as a proponent of equal rights among blacks and whites, implying that this idea remained unpopular at the time. Had the Democrats won it is likely that they would have started negotiations with the South concerning an armistice and therefore, the preservation of the Old South which was diametrically opposed to the aim of Lincoln’s administration. Whereas the employment of ‘total war’ paved the way for Northern victory, Lincoln’s re-election ultimately crushed Southern hopes of survival given that they could no longer compete militarily with the Union Army.

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  9. It is too simplistic to assert that the South lost the war due to one factor; rather it was a myriad of elements that led to an eventual Northern victory. In this regard, the shift from a limited war to a total war effort played a vital role, with the North excelling due to its numerous resources, manpower and funding. I would also contend that military and political leadership definitely proved advantageous, particularly in respect to Grant, Sherman and Sheridan. Comparing the leadership of Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis, I would argue that the centralised nature of Northern government undoubtedly strengthened the Union cause, though Lincoln's re-election in 1864 was by no means inevitable. This also coincides with fact that the Confederacy was denied recognition by foreign powers.
    Another important factor to consider is the extent to which blood was shed, and how soldiers and the population, became largely disillusioned with the conflict, particularly as political motivations for fighting the war seemed to transform. Ultimately it was a multitude of problems that plagued the Southern cause, that eventually led to a victorious Union.

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  10. The South lost the war because they could not match the North's ability to wage total war. The North's ability to marshal its industrial resources, its larger economic base, its larger population and its financial organisation was something the South could not compete with over the long term. As the war continued social problems multiplied on the Southern home front forcing the Southern soldier to desert or not re-enlist. The North was able to keep its soldiers fighting by securing the stability of the home front. The ability of the South to keep soldiers on the battlefield or on campaign, regardless of the calibre of its Generals or soldiers, was something it could not match in a protracted conflict.

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  11. There are a number of reasons why the South lost the Civil War. Firstly, the shift in war strategy from ‘limited war’ to ‘total war’ played a large part in the Confederacy’s defeat.
    The North, with its greater numbers of men and resources, was better able to engage in such a war strategy. ‘Scorched earth’ and similar tactics thoroughly demoralized the South, as did the losses of major battles at Gettysburg and Antietam. Many Southerners began to feel as though this was a war that could not be won, leading to increased desertion from Confederate armies which further weakened the Southern war effort. Additionally, the presence of opposition to secession within the South as well as dissenting slaves resulted in the South being unable to pool all their resources and manpower into a unified war effort. The Confederate government was also far less centralised and weaker than that of the North. This allowed the North to better co-ordinate and manage the war effort, which would have contributed to the defeat of the South.
    Finally, the transformation of the Civil War from a war to preserve the Union, to a war against slavery, resulted in a failure to secure foreign support for the Confederacy which could have allowed to South to win the war.

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  12. Southern loss was not inevitable. Despite Northern population and resource advantages the South held out for a long time with defensive strategies that worked well against the North’s conservative generals, notably McClellan. The South also had a uniting reason to fight, as their entire way of life from culture, to property and land was threatened. The North’s changing tactics, however, such as Sherman’s fear campaign, changed the war’s nature, and demoralised Southern sympathisers, as the war became something new which the Southerners were unable to fight. Total war and superior Northern leadership in Lincoln helped the North win the war.

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  13. Christopher Malone

    The South lost the Civil War for a plethora of reasons, some of which remain contentious even in the moden climate. The South had a small population which centred on agricultural production. Such a social structure was not ideal for supporting militaristic objectives. The greater manpower of the North, combined with their greater secondary resources (such as manufacturing capabilities) provided them with a definite advantage. Slavery also contributed to the failure of the South. Whilst the North provided a united front, the South was divided as in many states slaves were equal in number to that of the white population. Slaves supported Northern objectives, particularly as the war continued and emancipation issues came to the forefront of the debate.

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  14. There were a variety of factors which contributed to the Southern Defeat. The Confederacy's war strategy did not favour the defensive style which it was better equipped to fight. In addition the aggressive campaign it did launch failed to achieve the recognition of France and Britain. The south was also at a disadvantage on multiple fronts in terms of logistics. The North was much better equipped to fight the war in terms of manufacture and manpower. The south was also plagued by disruption and discord within the chain of command with states governments frequently clashing with the central government in Richmond which was itself riven with internal conflict.

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  15. Northern victory over the South can be attributed to shifts in political, military, economic and social forces throughout the Civil War period. Firstly, the Emancipation Proclamation of 1863 had a devastating effect for Confederate attempts to gain international support and recognition, particularly from Britain and France. Further, the Southern administration suffered from ineffectiveness and disunion between different Southern states that ultimately weakened the Confederate war effort. Secondly, Southern failure to confront the North in ‘total warfare’ embedded significant doubt within the Southern army that stimulated a devastating decrease in morale. The soldiers were increasingly aware of the challenge faced by their Confederate army against superior Northern strategy, resource and manpower. Thirdly, the South had lost the foundation of their economic prosperity, their salves. As such, the region experienced increasing waves of poverty and hunger, exacerbated by trade restrictions. Lastly, social structure throughout the South had been destroyed with the loss of slavery and that consequently, saw the outbreak of resentment towards the war effort as divisions infected the Confederacy, exasperated by the breakdown of the military, political and economic forces.

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